The conversation about Hillary and Chelsea Clinton's new book The Book of Gutsy Women started over three decades ago, when Chelsea was a little girl. Driven by the fact that Secretary Clinton didn't know any women in positions of power - or even who worked outside the home - when she herself was growing up, she made sure that these women were front and center in her daughter's upbringing. Watching the Olympics together in Little Rock and in the White House, the mom-and-daughter duo paid particular attention to the female athletes, like Michelle Kwan. Chelsea took ballet for years, and she idolized the discipline and strength shown by the ballerinas she saw perform. Hillary Clinton passed down to her daughter some of the same books she read as a child, many of which focused on female characters, like Nancy Drew.
After they both became authors in their own right, they found that many little kids came up to them at book signings to ask, "Who were your heroes when you were growing up?" They decided it was finally time for a book about the women they admire. "We thought, why don't we write about these women who inspired us and share their stories?" Secretary Hillary Clinton tells Refinery29 in an interview.
It was not an easy task, given the sheer multitude of women throughout history whose accomplishments deserve our attention. The result, culled from hundreds of essays down to 103, is a far-ranging anthology of athletes, politicians, doctors, activists, and other women who've taken risks and made a difference. It's more textbook than biography, with each chapter kept brief, but it also contains some surprising personal asides. It's also a testament to women - say, ceiling-shattering major-party presidential nominees? - who deserve more recognition, and to the mother-daughter relationship that endures throughout the history the two have lived through together.
Ahead, the Clintons talk to us about who they relate to most in the book, what's on their nightstand, the 2020 election, and more.
CC: "I think now being the mother of a daughter and two sons, I really am so proud - and admittedly, he might just be copying his sister, but when Aidan is asked who his favorite superhero is and he's like 'Wonder Woman!' I'm like, 'Yesss!' Although then, Charlotte did ask me why Wonder Woman is not in the book and I didn't have a great answer..." [HRC laughs, "Oh dear!"]
CC: "One of the books that I mentioned in The Book of Gutsy Women is Mary Wears What She Wants by Keith Negley. I mentioned it in the piece that includes Dr. Mary Edwards Walker, the civil war surgeon and women's rights advocate who remains the only woman to ever receive the Congressional Medal of Honor. That's a book that wasn't around when I was a kid, and it's a great story about Mary, who as a little girl, wore trousers at a time when every girl was expected to wear dresses, and how that was the first time she had to be gutsy because there was a lot of censure and pushback, and how that was a profound moment in her life that propelled her to do everything else that she felt was right. Another one is Good Night Stories for Rebel Girls: Their grandmother is featured in it, which is fun for them to see their grandma in a book."
We started talking about Greta Thunberg long before she emerged as an international spokesperson, right after she began her lonely strike for climate. I found her so appealing and so genuine.
CC: "Oh my gosh, what a great question. What are we not doing enough of? What have we not gotten right? I really do think that maybe the answer is a question of acceleration.Just an unwillingness to wait for something to happen and then demanding that what people know is right, particularly I think in climate change, has to happen quickly, that we have to transition to a carbon-free system. Whether it's equal rights, equal opportunity, equal justice, or climate change, just the understandable impatience and disappointment. The thing about Greta Thunberg's speech where she called out everyone, all of us, I think and hope that's what we'll see more of, and I expect that that's what we'll hear from people including my own kids."
HRC: "I am somewhat partial to women who I saw enter the political system and compete and suffer all the slings and arrows that come with being in politics, starting with Margaret Chase Smith, a Republican Senator from Maine who was the first Republican to take on Joe McCarthy. I'm a big fan of Shirley Chisholm. I'm a big admirer of Barbara Jordan, who gave one of the greatest speeches of the 20th century when she was on the House Judiciary Committee considering articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon. Women like Michelle Bachelet in Chile and Ellen Johnson Sirleaf in Liberia, both of whom were beaten, tortured, exiled, and never gave up on what they hoped to see happen inside their societies. Those are women that I think about a lot, because they went through some of the things I went through, so it's very personal for me."
"Hopefully when they make a decision, one way or the other, much of the American public will be able to say, well, that's fair, whatever the decision is. [Back then], Republicans joined with Democrats in their decision. I don't know that that will happen this time, it's a different era in our history, but you want at least to make it possible and have the evidence presented in a clear, convincing way that maybe even some Republicans will put their country before their party. [laughs] Let's hope, right? [makes a finger-crossing motion]"
CC: "On my nightstand are so many kids' books! But on my Kindle, I'm really excited to read Go Ahead In The Rain: Notes To A Tribe Called Quest by Hanif Abdurraqib. It is a book about the impact of a Tribe Called Quest, which was the soundtrack to my teenage years. I just finished another book about our growing alarm around antimicrobial resistance, and I needed a good antidote to that...and so, this is my treat to myself."
HRC: "I am deep into The Flight Portfolio by Julie Orringer, which is stunning. It's based on a true story of an American man who's trying to get safe passage, getting visas and tickets for scientists and artists and writers to get out of Vichy France before the Nazis invade. It's just brilliantly written - it's my treat. And then I just picked up Ann Patchett's new book The Dutch House. I've got a big stack on my nightstand."
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