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In 2015, Arlan Hamilton was homeless and sleeping on the floor of the San Francisco Airport, when an investor wrote her the first check that would lead to her becoming a venture capitalist.

Hamilton had been working in the music industry and hadn't attended college. She decided that she needed to break into the elite and largely white and male corps of investors funding startup companies after reading about venture capital.

In six and a half years, Hamilton's VC firm, Backstage Capital, has invested about $20 million in nearly 200 companies, and is in the process of raising a new $30 million investment fund. Women, people of color, and LGBTQ entrepreneurs are some of the underrepresented founders that Backstage has focused on.

Many of them talk about how we were their first check, or we were their first round, or we were the people who stayed with them for years and believed in them. Only 2% of venture capital funds invested last year went to companies with only women founders. Black and Latinx female founders have not received a lot of investment since the beginning of the year.

It is still difficult for Backstage to raise money from institutional and corporate investors. The $36 million fund to finance Black women entrepreneurs fell apart after an anchor investor withdrew. Hamilton was able to raise a smaller fund.

I want to share this journey, not because I think I'm exceptional, but because I've been underestimated a lot.

Hamilton raised $5 million using a new model of crowd funding to help finance her firm's operations and open up access to returns from venture capital investments. Most individuals have to have $200,000 in annual income or a net worth over $1 million to invest in venture capital. Hamilton was able to sell her shares in her firm to anyone she wanted, and she was also able to share her returns with them.

Hamilton spoke with Time about her journey as a VC and how she sees accumulating wealth as a form of activism.

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The interview has been edited for clarity.

How did you become a venture capitalist?

I got in. I didn't know what a venture capitalist was in 2010. I fell in love with the startup community after learning about it while I was on the road with musicians. I didn't know who my people were or what to call it. I had a plan to go to Silicon Valley and start a tech company. I started doing research to do that. I didn't have a lot of money or connections in that world, but I knew it was for me.

In a country where white men make up one-third of the population, venture funding and angel funding goes to white men. I was surprised as a gay black woman in the South with no connections. If that stays the same, that doesn't seem like it will end well.

I taught myself how to raise money for a fund by diving into any book I could get my hands on, and any interview I could get my hands on, instead of going out and teaching myself how to raise money for a company. I started making phone calls, sending emails in the dozens at a time, and little by little I was finding my way. Five years later, I got a check for $25,000 that would kick off my investing career.

How have you expanded access to more people to be able to invest in venture capital?

We made it possible for accredited and non-accredited investors to invest with us in deals where they wouldn't get their own. The Jobs Act for unaccredited investors and special purpose vehicles for accredited investors are what we are using. We use that a lot more than most funds do.

The Regulation Crowdfunding that we did in 2021, was more innovative. In the US, you can't have ownership in the management company of a private venture fund. In the fourth quarter of 2020, I looked at the different rules and regulations and with my legal team and Republic.co, we figured out a way to make that change legally and with full compliance. The idea was introduced to the SEC. Other people can do that as well.

6,500 people invested $5 million in the first eight days of the year to become partial owners of Backstage Management Co., which gives them a stake in any upside that we have as a fund across any investment we've ever made in the past.

To be clear, that’s not an investment in the companies that you’re investing in, but it’s an investment in your own company, which gets returns from those investments?

Yes. I have a large amount of carry share as the managing partner of Backstage. The partners would share in the fund. A partner who shares in the fund with the crowd is what you don't find in a fund. It doesn't happen.

It's not a virtual currency. It isn't going to happen overnight. I will share the check with 6,500 people because I would have gotten a check for a million dollars, but we are getting returns on top of original investments from limited partners.

The advantage for you is that it gives you cash to operate your firm…

Yes. The management fee is based on 2% of your assets under management. We have never had more than $20 million under management. That isn't enough to run a fund. This was a clever way of having an immediate runway.

It's quite insulting how little we've raised compared to what we've done. We didn't say "Oh, well that sucks" and folded our arms. Let's find a different way, that's a win-win situation. We can do things to make our portfolio stronger. Hopefully, other variables will play out as a result of that. We hope that the money you put in over the next decade is worth more than that.

You said that it’s insulting the amount of money you’ve raised relative to what you’ve done. Have you found that there’s been more friction in raising money than you anticipated?

Yes. There is a lot of tension in raising. Don't make a mistake. Thousands of people want to invest in us, who find us viable, who would invest more if they could. A lot of investors are accredited. Over time, a few dozen people have invested in our funds. In some cases that fail, it's an insult that we have to scrounge for so little when it comes to institutional investors and corporate investors who are throwing money at one company at a time.

We only raised $6 million of our $30 million raise. There are white men who use our thesis and get a lot of money because they worked at Facebook for two years. They haven't done the work that we have done for the past decade, I have done it for the past decade and our team has done it for the past six, seven years.

After George Floyd’s killing, there was a lot of talk about investing in the Black community and Black entrepreneurs. From where you sit, are companies following through on their pledges to invest?

Some are and some are not. A lot of it was just talking. PR scrambling was a lot of it. Some of it was real. Some of the change was true. Microsoft has done a great job of following through. I think the people who got it before are doing a better job. Four years ago, Microsoft invested in our program. We did not have a relationship with them after George Floyd. I just noticed that they have been putting their money where their mouth is.

I think a few others are doing a great job. I think Bank of America has stepped up. I didn't notice that with most of these other companies, but with Bank of America, every single person I talked to was Black, who had the decision making ability. Nobody was black on PayPal. The black person was going to say yes, the white person was going to say no. I don't think there is much bias to it. It's just what I'm seeing. Right?

While the returns from venture capital have been greater over some period of time than putting your money in an S&P 500 index fund, it’s more risky. What’s your rationale for expanding access to a riskier class of investment?

There are a couple of things. Black and brown people can spend half their paycheck on the lottery in certain states, even though the lottery is risky. According to Ollen, seven out of 10 of the largest companies in the country were venture backed. I think there is not an equal playing field. I want us to be a part of that.

If George Floyd had more wealth in the country, we wouldn't have watched a Black man get murdered on television, because the policies that would have already been in place would have had this sort of thing. If there were more richer people, not the 1%, but just richer people who were black and brown, they could influence policy. Policy influences what happens on the street. All of it is important. My success and wealth is all about activism. Being successful, wealthy and opening up access for others who look like me are all part of my activism.

When you say it’s activism, what do you mean by that?

Different people are activists for different causes. I have done a march in the street. There are people who will chain themselves outside of government buildings, but they don't knock down the building. They are putting life and limb at risk. They're putting their reputation at risk. They risk their lives because they believe in something so strongly. I am doing that by being so brazen in public and non-humble in public. I'm being called a key maker, not a gatekeeper. I want it to change something in the future, whether I see it or not, so I'm throwing open the gates for others to follow me, and I risk life and limb, reputation, livelihood every single day. I want it to have an effect.

What do you think is needed to create generational wealth for underrepresented groups, including Black Americans?

I like owning things. I think it's a big deal. People starting their own companies and people working at companies that are successful. I like entrepreneurship because of that.

A group of people will benefit from being investors. That is why I talk about that. I like entrepreneurship for wealth. When I look at the top 100 richest people in America, I look at what they are doing with their money.

I think about ownership. I can get people to either own something by creating it, own something by working for someone else very early, or invest in them and possibly have a piece of that tailwind. That goes in the opposite direction.

Some people think investing in cryptocurrencies is a way to build generational wealth, a way to have freedom, a way to have ownership that’s immutable that people can’t take away from you. Do you think investing in cryptocurrencies is a good route to achieving those things?

I don't have an opinion of cryptocurrencies that are worth sharing.

How do you decide what to invest in?

Can I build this myself within 10 years and be successful? It doesn't have my attention if I could. It has my attention because I can both live vicarious through you and I can also effect greater change if I can help.

Where do you see yourself in five years?

I will be one of the richest Black women in America, in the same league as Oprah, Bey and Serena. I would put at least half of that with Backstage, so that other entrepreneurs and investors in the crowd would know about it. I will be living on a tour bus and wearing purple tracksuits every day.

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