Diego Luna appears to have just left the shower.

He apologizes and turns on the phone before taking his camera off. He says when I joke about needing visual confirmation of his presence that it is him. He said that it was the worst version of him.

If this is his worst version, it is something no one has ever seen before. He has plumbed the depths of what the Empire can do to average people, and how it can turn them into Rebels.

Andor is the most prestige-TV-like series Disney+ has ever made. There are few and far between spaceships and no lightsabers. The stories of people like Luthan Rael, a wealthy collector, make up for the lack of bells and whistles.

There are people in prison. When Andy Serkis shows up in episode 8 as the floor manager at a prison factory making very mysterious objects for the Empire, things are about to get wild.

There is more to come. Luna was going to talk about Star Wars, the meaning of his show, and what fans might expect in the second season of his show.

The interview has been edited to make it clearer.

I have to be aware. What were the inmates doing?

Diego Luna thinks the Empire doesn't want you to know.

That's right, ha! I thought that may be the answer.

The beauty of the writing is that we need to know what the prisoners are doing and how it works. The idea is that no one knows what they're a part of, what chains of production we actually participate in, without knowing.

It's really serious.

What is a prison that has everything to do with how the world is structured today? A prison where you are productive, where you are as healthy as you can be so you can be more productive, and where everything is clean. It appears to be a Mac store. Affirmative.

It actually does.

I think it's great. It was one of my favorite episodes of the show because it rounds out the idea of the prison. It blew my mind in the writing of the series, how it is a reflection on something that is very specific to the world we live in, and at the same time it is so relevant in the world we live in.