During his time in the White House, Barack Obama said he got into trouble for being too Professorial.
While it was important to explore policy matters, it was important to do so in a way that would connect with ordinary people, according to the former president.
When I was behind a podium, I used to get into trouble more often. Sometimes I would sound like I was giving a lot of policy gobbledygook. "That's not how people think about these issues," Obama told the hosts.
He said that they think about them in terms of the life he's leading. Politics is relevant to the things that I care about the most. I work for my family and they give me satisfaction. Being a buzzkill isn't being a buzz kill.
One of the hosts said that Obama's message was a lesson for the Democrats.
He said that sometimes Democrats are. Sometimes people don't want to feel like they are walking on eggshells because they want to acknowledge that life is messy and that all of us can make mistakes.
Obama is a former president of the Harvard Law Review and a one-time constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law.
It was his keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention in Boston that catapulted him to national fame, even though some observers chided Obama for his lofty rhetoric.
He was the party's nominee for the US Senate.
It was Obama who became the Democratic nominee four years later.
He became the first black president in the country's history when he won the 2008 election.
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