The discussion between Jordan and Richard was recorded in November of 2021. I don't have much of a sense of Peterson, who sometimes says sensible things and sometimes goes off the rails, so I wanted to listen to all of it. I have a better idea of what's going on.
The discussion is seriously weakened by the fact that Richard points this out in a seemingly random manner, as well as by the fact that Peterson is totally dominating the conversation.
Richard was supposed to give a talk about a paper he wrote called "The organism as a model", which had a view of the environment. For example, a stick insect will give you information about what sticks look like if it codes its body. This paper is a precis of Dawkins' next book, The Genetic Book of the Dead. Apparently not to Peterson!
Richard is polite, but his impatience and frustration with the circumlocution and inability to stay on topic are obvious. I gave up by the end of the first 40 minutes, with Peterson taking up most of the time. Maybe Dawkins gets to talk later on, but I couldn't wade through the swamp of Peterson's words anymore, and I pressed the stop button when he began blathering about the drug.
The Canadian has a high opinion of himself and he doesn't want to hear what his co-conspirator has to say about it. I don't like this brand of self-centeredness and avoid people who talk. They don't know how human communication works and are diminishing the worth of the person they are talking to.
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